added 11/1/00

 Can Bigfoot be Killed?

                  There are dozens of reports that suggest perhaps Bigfoot can't be killed.

                  In 1957, at Wanoga Butte, Washington, Gary Joanis and Jim Newall were
                  hunting, and had just shot a deer. Before they could get to it, a 9 foot
                  tall, hairy creature walked into the clearing, and picked the deer up, and
                  carried it off under its arm. Joanis, annoyed about losing his deer, fired
                  several shots with his 30.06 into the creatures back, but the creature never
                  stopped walking. However, it did emit a "strange whistling scream". Perhaps
                  a cry of pain?

                  In October, 1959, west of Roseburg, Oregon, two boys, one 12 and the other
                  17, saw a Bigfoot near an abandoned saw mill. They went back with guns to
                  look for it. It showed up, but began chasing them, with its arms
                  outstretched. Strangely enough, it never caught up with them, although it
                  easily could have. The 17 year old, reputedly a good shot, was able to get
                  off several good shots with his 30.06, but the creature kept coming.
                  However, it did fall forward onto its knuckles a couple times. They wondered
                  later if it was herding them, to get them away from its territory.

                  In washington, during the summer of 1966, there were numerous sightings of a
                  white/grey Bigfoot, 8 feet tall with red-eyes, weighing at least 600 pounds
                  and walking like a human. A group of men often went looking for it, and
                  usually found it in a gravel pit. Roger True fired at it from a range of
                  only 20 feet, and hit it at least three times from his .270 rifle, but
                  didn't knock it down. Tom Thompson fired his 10-gauge shotgun from 10 yards.
                  He said it "screamed, a sort
                  of high-pitched squeal, but the shots didn't stop it running away."

                  In May, 1967, in The Dalles in Oregon, several teen-age boys spend their
                  nights hunting Bigfoot. One night, they were moving through the woods, when
                  they came to a tree who's branches hung to the ground. Pushing past them,
                  they found a creature 8-10 feet away, that was 7 feet tall crouched down.
                  Dave Churchill blasted it twice in the chest with his 12-gauge shotgun,
                  which knocked it down. It rolled over twice, and then ran off. It broke
                  through a fence, snapping three posts off at the ground. The boys returned
                  the next day to claim their prize, but the footprints disappeared after
                  80-100 yards, and there was no blood to follow. >>

                  Ten cash-paying bigfoot hunters assemble in Louisiana to sit in trees on stands in the dark, as part of the GCBFRO "Big Hunt".  They have night scopes on rifles, and one has
thermal imaging equipment as well. Almost all report seeing Bigfoot in their scopes, hence
a sighting report. The heat-scope-man  reports seeing several - a family - for three hours!
NO shots were fired.  There is no way to verify any of these claims.

Deer Killed Found On Our Farm
                                by Skeezix

Our family has a 580 acre farm in northwest Alabama on the Tennessee
River. In the fall and winter of 1979-80, we heard strange screams and
had at least 3 sightings. Two of the sightings were at my house and the
other was back in the woods. Later I was deer hunting on the back of
the farm in the woods near the river and found 3 deer that had been
killed and were laying within 40 feet of each other. They all had at least
one broken leg. They all had their belly torn open behind the ribcage and
the guts were laying on the ground beside them. Other than that, the
carcasses were completely intact. Unfortunately, I didn't know at the
time to check to see if all the internal organs were there. There were no
bullet or arrow holes in any of them.

One of the deer had been killed right where it lay. The ground was torn
up and saplings and limbs broken and there were tufts of deer hair hung
in the bark on 2 larger trees within a few feet of that deer. Some of the
hair was over 10 feet off the ground hung in the tree bark. The deer's
back legs were both broken and twisted. Even then I thought it looked
like someone had caught that deer by the back legs and swung it around
and killed it by beating it against the trees.

About 600 yards east of there, I found 2 more killed deer with broken
legs and torn or cut open bellies and the guts laying beside them. They
were laying about 15 to 20 feet from each other. There was no sign of
struggle there.

We didn't have coyotes on the farm then, so all the carcasses were in
good condition and fairly fresh. I even debated on taking one of them
home and butchering it for myself it was so fresh. A couple of them had
been nibbled on by coons or possums.

I moved out of the area in 1980 and didn't get to hunt the farm any
more until this past fall (Nov. and Dec. 1999). My son, daughter, a
couple of friends and I were coon hunting there one night and heard the
same screams as 20 years before. The dogs were terrified and kept
coming back to the truck and wouldn't hunt, and these are champion
dogs. So, we packed up and got outta there.

I didn't get to go back out there until April of this year. I was walking
through the woods and found fresh deer bones in the same area that I
had found the 2 deer carcasses 20 years before. We have coyotes now,
so the bones were scattered and well chewed, but I did notice that one
of the femur bones I found was broken while the other was intact.

Webmaster:     Important point --- if Bigfoot did that,  it did not EAT the deer.
If they are 7-8-9 feet all and massive beasts, they HAVE TO EAT ALL THE TIME.
If they kill, and do not eat, then something weird is going on.....

THE MINERVA HOMINIDS
SUBJECT: Unusual encounters with strange creatures

DATE(S): 1978: August 21 at 10:30 PM; August 22 at 9:00 PM; August 23 at 11:00 PM; September 8 at 6:00 PM and September 9, time unknown in the evening. All sightings were in 1978. There were other reports from as early as July and the first week of August.

WITNESSES: Evelyn Cayton, Howe Cayton, Herbert Cayton, Vicki Keck, Scott Patterson, Mary Ackerman, Becky Manley, Linda Jones and Henry Colt.

LOCATION: U.S. Route 30, east of Minerva, Ohio in Paris Township; Stark County

INVESTIGATORS: Ron Schaffner, Earl Jones, Jim Carnes Jim Rastetter, Iona Boyce, Barbara Mudrak,(Akron Beacon-Journal) and James Shannon (Stark County Deputy Sheriff)

CASE DATA:

All of our interviews and field investigations were conducted on the weekends of September 9 and 30, 1978. Other interviews were conducted by the late Jim Rastetter and his research team, the press and local law enforcement. We will list the incidents by date since there are several encounters. There are also many newspaper reports from this time period mostly from the Akron Beacon-Journal. The reader should be aware that these incidents are multiple witness sightings which adds some credence to the reports. The reports of large felines in conjunction with the hominids are a subject that I have never been able to explain.

I will begin with the first major sighting which occurred on 21, August:

Evelyn Cayton's family and friends were out on the front porch when they heard noises in the direction of an old chicken coop just to the right of the house. They saw two pairs of yellow eyes that seemed to be reflecting a porch light. Scott Patterson went to his car and turned the headlights on in hopes of getting a better look. The eyes were emitting from what appeared to be two "cougar-type" felines. Then, the party saw what looked like a large bipedal hairy creature step in front of the large cats as if to protect them. This creature then preceded to lurch towards Patterson's car.

The witnesses fled to the house and called the Stark County Sheriffs Department. While waiting for the deputies, the bipedal creature appeared at the kitchen window - about four yards from the kitchen table. Patterson pointed a .22 caliber pistol at it, while Evelyn Cayton loaded a .22 caliber rifle. The creature stood outside the window for close to ten minutes. They all could clearly see the creature because of the back porch light. They decided they would not shot at it unless the creature made any advances toward them. The biped suddenly left without harming anyone. (Sketch of creature is on file with us.)

"It doesn't seem to want to bother anyone", said Mary Ackerman. "It was just curious. We all felt that it wanted to be friends"

Deputy Sheriff James Shannon arrived about 15 minutes after the call was made and about 5 minutes after the creature left the scene. A strong stench was still lingering in the area when Deputy Shannon began to interview the witnesses. Shannon later told reporters that it smelled like "ammonia-sulphur". Extra deputies were brought in and the searched the entire area on horseback and in jeeps. (The land behind the Cayton's was an old abandoned strip mine and beyond that were dense woods going up a gradual hill.) Unusual, but unsubstantiated foot prints were discovered.

22, August:

Mrs. Mary Ackerman, of Minerva drove to the Cayton residence to pick up her daughter and friend. (Mrs. Ackerman is Evelyn Cayton's daughter.) As she turned into the driveway, she saw the same creature standing on top of the hill next to the strip mine. She watched it until it walked out of her view.

23, August:

The creature appeared again at Cayton residence. Howe Cayton was not sure if it was the same thing. He fired a gunshot into the air and the figure departed.

8, September:

During the late daylight hours, Mrs. Ackerman observed two "ape-like" animals across the strip mine. She stated that she thought the creatures were standing in a tree but wasn't sure because of the distance. Again, she watched them for a while, until they were no longer visible in the thick weeds.

9, September:

Jim Rastetter interviewed Henry Colt who lives about 5 miles east of Minerva on U.S. 30. He told Jim that he was walking through some woods by his house when he caught a glimpse of an unknown furry animal. Mr. Colt said that the animal was squatting next to a tree and let out a sound similar to a loud cough.

Actually, the incidents leading up to the August 21 sighting began about the first of the month. Mrs. Cayton believes the creatures' appearance were due to her husband (Herbert) cutting down the thick brush next to the pit and that he also dumped some garbage around for the raccoons.

Several nights later, Cayton's grandchildren and their friends came running in the house crying in a frightened state. They claimed to have seen a large hairy monster in the pit. Mrs. Keck, Mrs. Cayton and Howe Cayton went outside to see what had scared them. They saw a creature that was covered with dark matted hair. They estimated it to be about 300 pounds and 7 feet tall.

"It just stood there", said Mrs. Cayton. "It didn't move, but I almost broke my neck running back down the hill."

Mrs. Cayton claims that she later observed the creature in the daylight. It was sitting in the pit picking at the garbage. She could not make out any facial features due to the amount of long hair covering its face. She remembered that the creature had no visible neck.

MORE GROUND LEVEL ACTIVITY AND COMMENTS:

What about the two phantom cougars? This is one of the most puzzling aspects of this case. The "ape-like" creature was described by the witnesses as if to be protecting the big cats. If Patterson's testimony is truthful, the how should we ascertain such statements. Does this mean that these creatures live in harmony with each other, or is it more soft evidence to indicate that all this phenomena is originating from the same source? Deputy Shannon said that he received many reports of bear and "panther-like" bobcats in the area.

It also has been speculated that these quadrapedal animals may have been juvenile bigfoots. This was brought to my attention through the efforts of Barbara Mudrak. During a telephone convestion with me, she explained that some of the witnesses told her that these youths could have easily been mistaken
for cougars.

Was the creature a bear? Although the Ohio Division of Wildlife debunked the idea of bears, we know that they are coming into eastern Ohio from Pennsylvania. We also discovered a bear explanation was used by local law enforcement to down play the incidents. This reasoning was used to keep the local vigilantes and hunters away from the woods.

We asked Mrs. Cayton; "Do you think what you saw were bears?" She answered; "No, not unless they were mutated."

Canine Activity:

Prior to the August 21 sightings, one of the Cayton's German Shepherds was found dead with a broken neck. The dog had been chained up with a collar to the dog house. The collar was found next to the dead animal still in tacked to the chain. We can speculate that either; 1. The creature jerked the dog out of the collar, or: 2. The canine was so scared that it broke its own neck trying to escape.

Consider the following:

The other shepherd ("Missey") was still in a schizophrenic state during our investigations. At times, she is extremely calm and affectionate and on other occasions, she is scared and vicious. Missey has spent a lot of time digging, which is not uncharacteristic of a canine. However, she dug a tunnel about 8 feet into the ground. This hole is almost large enough to contain two medium sized dogs. Could this be a hiding place for the dog for when the creature returns? (We have photographs of this "tunnel".)
 

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EVALUATION:
According to the Cayton's and Mrs. Mudrack, the Sheriff's department did an excellent investigation. However, there are some conflicting reports. The deputies stayed with the family until the early morning hours. They studied alleged prints and hair, but came up with no monster. They covered up the incidents to discourage hunters. They supposedly took the soft evidence to a local college in Canton for analysis. When we tried to obtain this evidence, Mallone College told us they did not receive anything.

Many investigators have since talked to the Cayton family. I believe that they are sincere people who would have no real benefit to hoax. Evelyn had just been released from the hospital due to an ulcer and a thyroid tumor. her doctors told her to avoid emotional stress, so why would she fabricate a story like this? She did not need this type of publicity. One must not forget that this is a multiple witnesses incident. With this many witnesses, (interviewed separately, then as a group) it could be easy for one to "slip up", but all stuck to the same story.

One cannot forget about the deputies' investigation and other phenomena surrounding these incidents. The witnesses were unfamiliar with the term "Bigfoot", until the press caught wind of the story. Barbara Mudrack gave us an excellent character reference of the witnesses. She told us (prior to our on-site investigations) that she really believed that the Caytons were telling the truth about their visitor.

Earl Jones and Myself visited the Caytons on two separate occasions. On our second visit, we backpacked and spent the night in the upper woods looking for physical evidence. We came up with no evidence, nor did we witness anything unusual. We did feel the need for more hours logged, but were unable to do so, for lack of financial means. ( Could not afford lost time from our jobs.)

This case is by far, the most complex and interesting one from my files.

BigFoot Encounter- 1994
Written by Brent Floeting
All Rights Herein Protected
 
 

My purpose is to report my 1994 encounter to the BigFoot investigative community at large.  Ray, thank you for allowing me this forum.

Here is My 1994 Encounter:

I have been going to Lake Curlew in NE Washington State for 30 years.  It is 10 miles north of the town of Republic.  In 1994, my immediate family and I rented a small cabin on the lake at one of the resorts.

We go there to fish, lie in the sun and have a good time and the fishing is very good there.  It was mid July and it was very dry and hot.  This area of Washington State is arid in the summer and cold in the winter.  It is sparsely populated with Ponderosa pine and a small human population.

The third evening that we were there,,we had gone fishing and caught a lot of trout.  I cleaned them and put their guts in the garbage can outside of our cabin. I mention this because I have always believed that these fish guts brought the lead BF into the resort.  Lately, I am not convinced of that.

At about 2:30 AM I was awoken by something. I knew not what it was,,,but I was just about to fall back asleep when the encounter happened.  It was at that point that I lied awake for the next 5 minutes or so and listened as two animals spoke back and forth to each other.  I say animals,,but the fact is that I really do not know what they were.   I am inclined to believe that they were BF because of my comprehensive encounter.

There was this one right at the cabin and another one was way back in the bush.  I call them animals now,,but I soon realized as I lied there that they were BigFeet.  One knows immediately what you have when this kind of an experience happens to you.
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The one at the cabin was the lead animal.  I could tell from the time intervals between their responses that they were 800-1000 yards apart.  They had a very sophisticated communication going back and forth.  I have been to many BF web sites with BF vocalization audio. Frankly they mostly sound like a bunch of monkeys in the bush.  That one audio report from Ohio was simply horse pucky!

The one back in the bush was asking the one at the cabin if it was OK to come on in.  She asked it at least 6 times during the course of the episode.  I say "she" because it was obvious to me that the one at the cabin was male by his aggressiveness.  She was REALLY nervous and I don't think that she wanted to come in,,,but she kept asking him if it was OK.  She was the better communicator with a more sophisticated and wider ranged speech pattern.

Her communications threads were along the line of, "Is it OK to come in?  Is it OK?  Is it OK to come in?  Is it OK"?  She was REALLY nervous and it was obvious to me that he was the "point".  I believe that she was only one of a number lying back in the weeds.  I do not know that from anything that I sensed or heard, but I could tell that he was the lead group member.  They tend to work as a team with one of their big boys going in first.  He was REALLY big and I would guess around 800 lbs. and very tall.  I say this because an 800 pound animal under 6 feet is probably a very big fatso.  I am drawing on my Physics classes that explained "scaling" to me.

At one point right near the end of the experience,,,,he became quite nervous too.  I got the very distinct impression that he had an internal clock going and knew that he had a window of time that he was working with.  I also sensed that he knew that I was awake in the cabin.  This guy was very LOUD, however he did not seem to care that he was alerting anyone with his talk.

I have been asked to characterize their speech and vocalizations.  So,,,I went out on an Internet search to see if I could find anything like it.  None of the BF audio, I listened to sounded even close.  I did listen to an audio sampling at Ron Morehead's site that had a small amount of similarity to what I heard.  It is still possible for me today to remember what I heard because it was so different. I can somewhat imitate the guy outside of my cabin,,,although when I did so for a so-called BF investigator a few weeks ago,,,I about coughed up a lung doing it.  I was not able to get that power into it,,,and I am 280 pounds and 6"5".  This BF investigator mentioned the low end of a lion's roar and that comes close to it.
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I am a degreed Communications major with many years of audio, video and film  production under my belt.  Those of us in this industry refer to the audio projection I heard as "power".  It is nearly impossible for a human to have that low end to one's voice and yet able to project without distortion and noise.  That is one of the reasons that I was able to gauge the size of this guy outside of my cabin.  It is really an easy extrapolation skill,,and then if you couple that with  the physics law of "scaling",,,you can come close to estimating the size of the animal.

I will digress at this time by listing a number of mental images that are still with me today as follows:

Large Animal- In the range of 800-1000 lbs.  Again, I gauged this from the power and intensity of his voice.

Hungry Animal- He was brought in by the smell of the fresh fish guts that I had thrown into the garbage can earlier that evening.  NB:  I am not convinced today however that this was the main reason hat he was there.  It occurs to me that an
animal of this size must eat all of the time and I am sure that it knew that a few fish guts was not much of a lunch.

Extremely complex language and vernacular-  It's modulation was controlled with an articulation that demonstrated speech patterns.  Their discourse was timed for the distance between the two.  I do not believe that their tongues played a major part,,but rather they used their whole body to project and more likely their lungs played the biggest role.  They did not talk over each other, but each waited until the other one had finished.  Methinks that is because of the distance involved between the two.  I am reminded of a one-second delay when I have spoken on a satellite phone to people.  Each realizes that they must listen fully, pause and then respond.  Most common bush animals do not do this.

 I lived and worked at my Grandfather's logging and tourist camp in the wilds of Ontario, Canada.  I used to lie awake at night and listen to the wolves howl.  They were usually miles apart from each other and yet could talk back and forth,,,however,,,a wolf generally does not wait for the other one to finish before he replies.  I have been told many times by the F&B side of the aisle that I was hearing a bear, Elk, ad infinitum that morning.  I know what these animals sound like in the wilds and I believe that many of these naysayers have never even camped out in the bush,,,let alone heard these animals in the wild.

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Strange sense of impaired cognitive capacities-    This is the meat and substance of my encounter.  It is difficult to put this into words.  In the audio business we call it "Harmonic Resonance".  This is like you throwing a rock into a pond.  It makes harmonic ripples.  If you throw another one in shortly thereafter, you will see that the ripples from the first stone interfere with the ripples from the second stone.  In the audio recording world, we call it "Dis-harmonic resonance".  It is also termed as "Noise".

The animal outside of my cabin was able to manipulate cognitive resonance and in essence generated "noise" into the surrounding environment to soften or eliminate my thoughts.  If you don't think that this is possible,,,one should consider what Airline companies are doing to eliminate noise in the cabin of the aircraft.  They are able to eliminate 80% of the noise in the cabin by generating other noise that "cancels out" the noise you hear as a passenger.  This is what this animal did to me that morning!

I am a trained Photographer and had all of the gear with me and for some reason I did not even consider snapping off the shot of my life!  I did not wake my wife or anyone else within our cabin to alert them of what was going on right by them.  In fact, I do not believe that anyone else inside of my cabin or anyone else within the resort heard this creature.  This guy was LOUD!

I did not look out through my window with a flashlight and I shortly fell back to sleep.  This is one of the most confusing aspects of my encounter.  I am a very curious person by nature and would not have simply gone back to sleep.  Some folks on the other side of the BF aisle had told me that I was dreaming, that I was drunk, that I was having a dream manifestation, that I was just plain chicken, or that it was a bear.  When this happens to you, then you will know immediately what is occurring and that you are not dreaming.

The creature knew that I was awake in the cabin. He was very nervous of this and when he became aware of it,,he hurried himself and "conformed to a time window".  The female out in the bush was afraid from the outset and hurried him in the last few moments of the encounter.  She kept saying, "What is happening,,,what is going on,,,what is happening, hurry up, hurry up".  I could clearly understand her….. not in terms of human language but I knew what she was saying.
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About 5 hours later at 7:30 AM, I told asked my cabin occupants if they heard all of that racket earlier in the morning.  They had heard nothing.  I explained my encounter and a few of us went up to the resort store and told the resort owner what had happened.  The resort owner just snickered at me.  I could tell however that he had heard that type of story before.  This would not be good PR for his resort,,contrary to what some people think.

I want to end my report by telling everyone who reads it that Ray Ambrosini and his web site have given me an opportunity to tell my story in all of it's details.  Ray did not threaten me, tell me I was crazy, ban me from his web site, or send cookies to my home computer.  One web site actually defaulted me to a vulgar Brittany Spears and Mr. "T" site when I tried to access his web site.  This good doctor deleted all of my "discussion forum" postings and other postings from his members that questioned his beliefs. I had two other major BF web sites ban me for trying to file my report because it had the smell of "paranormal" associated with it.

Ray has given me an open slate at his web site,,,,,and for that I am deeply appreciative.   I am a simple person that had a complex experience in NE Washington State in 1994.  I just wanted to report it to the BigFoot community.  I had no idea that the community was so fractured in it's beliefs,,nor to the extent that some felt it necessary to threaten me, ban me and call me crazy.  I would go so far as to say that some on the flesh and blood side of the aisle have a "cult" mentality with a "fascist" slant to them.  I had a number of these cult members email me away from their web site membership and tell me how they are afraid to speak unless it conforms to the leader of the web site and the flesh and blood philosophy.  So what are they afraid of?  I can only imagine how main players in this controversy must be treated.

I do not know, but I would like for others who read my encounter to educate me.  Again, thanks PBRO and Ray Ambrosini for the podium.  That is my story.

Brent Floeting                (Hey - change that "e" to an "a"....   LOL..)

The witness was in a car with other people, and they
had stopped to look at
some elk. She looked another way, saw what looked like
a BF, and the other people
in the car *wouldn't stop looking at the elk??*

I presume she must have said something like, "Hey, that
looks like a Bigfoot
over there!" to her friends, and none of them would
lend her their spotting
scopes or even turn around?? I know elk are cool, but
c'mon?

Anyone know anything more about this sighting? In
particular, I wonder how distant
the subject (=likely BF) was.

Jim Doughty
jdoughty@bestweb.net

eb: note - I suggest that the BF used telepathy to zonk the other
people, letting only one see it.

Great Case -- webmaster followed up on it the next year.

The
following case, first reported by Ohio investigator Dennis Pilichis
contains so many striking elements it has become a cult classic.

June 1,1981 Robert Schuler and his family become badly frightened.
Uncanny things were going on in the virgin woods by their isolated
farmhouse near Rome Ohio. The month before, a group of local Amish
hired to haul hogs had bolted out of the woods after the sound of
gunshots. Their workhorse had huge, ugly slashes along it’s side. The
Amish farmers who were taciturn at the time wouldn’t say anything
about what they had shot at; they just left in a hurry and did not come
back.
Then a few weeks later, a bulldozer operator digging for a gas line came
to the house saying he’d found a spot that looked cleared for
construction. Strangely there was no road leading to the spot. Robert
hiked over and saw a bare, burned area about forty feet square, with
four evenly spaced holes like something heavy had rested there.
Then there were the missing family ducks and chickens. Roberts’s
sixteen- year- old son had found them with their heads bitten neatly off.
Their bodies were untouched. It didn’t help his son much; he’d been
having nightmares about a “creature” staring in his bedroom window at
night. The family quietly began carrying their shotguns with them on
their chores.
On the night of June 25,all hell broke loose. The dogs and remaining
ducks started carrying on in the front yard. Robert and his sons ran out
on the porch with guns and flashlights. They saw an unbelievable”
ape-like thing that was huge and black with glowing red eyes, which
they later estimated to be between seven and eight feet tall. One of the
boys directed a flashlight at the shape and Robert shot it with his 4-10
shot shotgun. The farmer, a good shot knew he had hit it right between
the eyes.
The thing screamed loudly, a sound that went from a hair-raising pitch
to a low decibel groan and ran off into the field. They could hear the
screaming move off into the woods.
The family did not get sleep that night, waiting up with guns loaded in
case “it” came back.
June 22, 2 a.m.
The creature returns making grunting noises out by the front porch.
Robert aims his flashlight at it, but again all he could make out was a
huge, black thing” like a gorilla with glowing red eyes.” Yelling at his
boys to get back inside and get dressed, he reached inside the door and
grabbed his shotgun. Before he could take aim, the thing emitted an
unearthly scream and ran off. He and his boys jumped into their pickup
truck and sped down the road in the same direction. Seeing nothing
they, stopped at a neighbor’s house down the road. The man had seen
nothing and they started back home. On the way back they began
hearing the sound of heavy brush breaking and snapping. Right where
the sounds seemed loudest, their truck stopped dead, though the lights
stayed on.
Clutching their guns and frantically attempting to restart the vehicle, the
sounds grew louder and they could hear a low growling. A second car
happened along and stopped to see what was the matter. The new
arrival also heard the crashing and growling sounds. Another attempt to
start the truck worked and both cars quickly left the scene.
June 28
Family members were supposed to attend a local musical event, but
because of the fear they still felt, everyone stayed home. Late that
night, one of the family saw some shadowy forms moving near the line
of the forest crest. Driving out on the family tractor, they saw a “black
shape waving some sort of blue light”. When one of Roberts sons raised
his gun to shoot, the light went out. Driving further on the tractor, they
saw shadowy figures with glowing red eyes. They opened fire and used
two full boxes of twelve-gauge shells. The red-eyed forms seemed
unhurt and shifted their position. They kept reappearing, almost as if
they were attempting to draw fire. Finally the family returned to the
house, but were unable to get much sleep.
June 29
The next morning they found a number of large three-toed footprints in
the area. There seemed to be a six-foot stride between the prints. In
many cases the prints ended abruptly, then began again at some
distance.
Against the wishes of the family, a relative present at the house
throughout the attacks called local law enforcement officials twice. The
Ashtabula County sheriff came out to the property twice on June 29.In
both his reports on “suspicious activity,” he notes that large, three-toed
tracks were found. The sheriff with a sergeant patrolled the area at 5
a.m. and 11 pm. But found nothing else.
Since June 29,family members had been keeping nightly armed vigils on
the farmhouse roof.
July 1 10:25 p.m.
Two members of the family stationed on the roof notice four huge lights
hovering over a tree line. The lights appear to change from red to blue
to yellow, and they were spaced along the treeline. The family also
witnessed one of the lights shoot a beam of white light toward the
ground. While they watched the light, they heard “high-pitched screams
that sounded like a woman” coming from the woods.
Then the lights disappeared altogether. Suddenly, the watching family
members could see a number of dark forms running toward the house.
The terrified family opened fire with rifles and shotguns, drawing
hair-raising screams from the things. The things kept running back and
forth as if “they were trying to draw fire.” Noticing luminous red eyes
glowing from the woods, some family members began shooting in that
direction. Their shots were answered by more of the eerie screams.
The family kept reloading and shooting at the forms and eyes all night.
At one point they observed a shadowy figure of a “horse” standing alone
in the field where the things were moving about. Certain this was not
one of their own horses, they opened fire on the form, which responded
with another of the screams.

July 2, 3:30 a.m.
At 3:30 a.m the family noticed a glowing white light flying over their
cornfield. One of the lookouts stationed on the roof said that he “felt
the light from the thing hit him in the head,’ and he nearly toppled over.
Strange lights continued to fly silently overhead throughout the rest of
the night.One”glowing red ball” was observed to change shape into
something that looked like an owl.’ Another red object, the shape of a
cigar box, flew close enough to the house for Robert to shoot at it point
blank. They heard a sound like” a bullet hitting glass” and the light went
out.
July 2
The exhausted family found many three-toed footprints in the area.
Their own horse was found safe in the barn where it was kept.
The family decided to call a famous local Fortean researcher, author
Dennis Pilichis, to investigate the situation
July 3
Arriving with Pilichis was a friend of who both immediately noticed the
stressed out state of the family. He also found a ladder leaning next to
the farmhouse roof and coffee cups, coats, and flashlights left on the
roof. The yard “was covered with spent shotgun shells.”Searching the
area for evidence they easily found more three-toed footprints pressed
deeply into the extremely hard-packed earth.Pilichis later noted the
prints as “claw-like in that the toes appeared long and hooked. There
was also an apparent twisted heel with scuff marks.” The prints seemed
to start from nowhere and to end just as suddenly. Pilichis measured
strides between the prints as variously as nineteen and forty-three
inches. He took plaster casts and photographs of the prints, which were
measured at fourteen inches long and six inches wide.
July 6 and 7
Pilichus returns to monitor the situation. The family reported the
phenomenon continued, and that an extremely large black form had
come close to the house on the previous night. Pilichis and researcher
William McIntyre from Maryland scouted the larger area and found more
of the strange footprints. After taking taped interviews of the family,
Pilichis and McIntyre decided to spend the night. At one point, the
family reported seeing the glowing red eyes and started shooting. The
two investigators missed the sighting and walked out to the tree line
with two family members. They all reported seeing a “glowing form” that
emerged from the woods and stood there. The excited family members
decided to shoot at it and it appeared to fall. The group ran over, but
found nothing other than a flattened area in the grass with” a path
leading away as if something had dragged itself off”.
The two investigators began tossing stones into the wooded are in an
attempt to provoke a response. Somebody or something tossed a rock
back, nearly hitting them.
Later in the night both investigators sighted the red-eyed Bigfoot forms
many times, including one close up encounter where Pilichis swore he
could see body hair on the being. They also observed what they termed”
phantom flashlight beams” in the woods, and concluded that they
marked the first appearances of the Bigfoot creature.
As the investigators continued to monitor the farmhouse, the
phenomenon continued it’s pointless tricks for a while longer, then
eventually died down with no explanation. There were similar reports
from nearby Rock Creek, Ohio during the summer of 1981.Though no
lights in the sky were seen, there were encounters with the Bigfoot type
creatures leaving more of the three-toed prints. It seemed the
phenomenon had no other purpose than to terrify some isolated
families, and to attract the notice of a few investigators.
Some of the most interesting Bigfoot reports come from the Southern
and Midwestern United States
In South Carolina reports of a “lizardman”produced many witness
testimonials, three toed plaster casts were made which measured 7x14
inches and like most such cases, the reports died out a couple of
months later, as if the thing had moved on to darker pastures.
In Maryland and Pennsylvania, which despite it’s high population still
contains large wild tracts, hundreds of Bigfoot sightings have been
reported over the years and like many west-of-the-rockies reports,
Bigfoot often had glowing red to yellow or green eyes, three toes, and a
sumptuous smell or odor.
During the 1950’s one such beast was active. At odd times throughout
the decade, the Prince George’s County Police office was flooded by
reports of a huge and hairy,blazen-eyed beast.
Hairy Apes, some as tall as 12 to 15 feet have been sighted in Indiana
since the 1940’s.
One Aurora, Indiana couple reported a 12-foot-tall Bigfoot that attacked
and dented their car in 1977.The husband fired 15 shots into the
creature which simply walked away. An earlier Bigfoot-type creature was
seen near French lick, Indiana in 1965.A bright green monster with
glowing red eyes nicknamed “Florescent Freddie,”was reported by dozens
of witnesses to be 10 feet tall.
Sometimes the apparitions change shape or disappear in plain view. One
witness in 1964 saw a Bigfoot near Point Isabel Ohio.”It changed shape
into another form right before our eyes. The thing just crouched down;
it’s hands became paws and it went on all fours, and it all happened like
a slow moving movie. Then it was gone. It vanished into thin air!”
Reports of glowing-eyed, disappearing Bigfoots that associate with
UFO’s and are apparently immune to bullets would seem to suggest a
non-physical phenomenon. Though there are cases of mammals whose
eyes reflect a greenish or yellowish sheen from a strong light source,
there is no evidence of any natural animals whose eyes glow flaming red
in the dark.(There are some reports of dogs and cats suffering an optical
condition that causes their eyes to reflect with a reddish tinge.)These
monsters are not the only ones with red eyes. As in many UFO cases,
there have been Bigfoot sightings that have left witnesses with cases of
conjunctivitis, or eye burn.Conjunctivitis can be caused by overexposure
to ultraviolet light or electromagnetic radiation.
Accounts of tracks starting and ending in the middle of a field or mud
also suggest something not quite normal. Unless the creatures can fly,
where do they go? Another key indication of paranormal activity is the
frequent reports of suddenly stalled cars in the presence of Bigfoot, just
as in many UFO encounters. It is highly unlikely that hairy primitive
apes would possess an advanced electromagnetic technology. If they
did, why would they employ it to halt cars, thereby ensuring a sighting,
and then blind the witnesses? From coast to coast, over a hundred years
of collected reports agree that Bigfoot stinks and stinks badly. One
version has the creatures bearing an odor “like outhouses or dirty
socks”(A combination of feces and sweat one would expect to find in a
huge primate with bad toilet habits). The other reported odor is less
easily explained:a stench of sulphur or”fire and brimstone,”the same
found in so many UFO and ghost sightings. Do they smell the same
because they are related to such phenomenon?
One of the commonly found pieces of evidence is huge footprints(there
are even museums of collected plaster casts). Like the strange odors,
the prints appear to be divided into two sorts:five-toed and
three-toed(though a few four-toed and six-toed have been reported).
Primates are five toed, but the three-toed variety seems to be
associated more with the hydrogen sulfide odor.
There are also many reports of Bigfoot-type creatures which appear to
be self-luminous. A few of the “swamp-ape” reports from the southern
U.S.fall into this category. Many witnesses also insist that their sighting
was preceded by a change in the surrounding air temperature The air
suddenly and temporarily becomes noticeably colder or hotter suggests
that something else is occurring. Medieval and doctrinal accounts of the
manifestation of demons is one comparison that comes to mind.
These sulphur-smelling, glowing-eyed giants that can vanish in a single
leap along with their appearances in heavily populated suburbs and
areas need not suggest that they are hiding out in a few parks or
wooded areas. Instead, they may be a fragment of that larger,
trickster-like phenomenon whose apparent goal is to terrify or mystify
us.
Are they really “demons”?

From Jason Valenti:

     In April of 1996, a former business partner & I
were coming back from a meeting in Pensacola, Florida
on a week night, heading for home to Largo, FL.  We
left Pensacola around midnight.  We arrived in
Tallahassee approximately 4:00 am.  I stopped & asked
a policeman at a convenient mart to give me directions
to a road that would take us from interstate 10 to
U.S. 19, so that we could avoid the rush hour traffic
that we would have encountered later in the morning if
we had continued via the interstate.  Approximately 15
minutes into the ride out of Tallahassee, going south
bound on a road that bordered the east side of
Appalachicola state forest is where this experience
took place.  I had just reached down to turn off the
radio, because the stations were out of range for good
reception, when I saw something on the right side of
the road.  At about 200 yards is when I first saw it &
we were traveling at about 55 mph.  I immediately took
my foot off of the accelerator and "covered" the brake
in case it was an animal that might move onto the
road.  I then clicked my high beams on & this thing
lifted its head from a downward position to look our
way.  It was squatting behind the top of pine tree
that had fallen through the forest right up next to
the road & looked like it might have been picking
through something like a bird's nest.  In the next
moment, at about 100 yards, She stood up and put here
hands in front of her face to block my headlights and
starting walking backwards & I knew it was a female
"something" because of the long pendulous breasts that
were swinging back and forth on her chest.  What I
could see of her face was just for a moment & it
seemed she had a terrified expression.  Besides the
breasts catching my attention, I was amazed at the
palms of her hands, because they seemed to look
strikingly similar to a human's.  And each finger &
thumb was stained with a dark, purplish color, and the
same color was on the tip of her nose.  Her coat of
hair/fur was blond in appearance, at least in the
lighting of my headlights.
Her head seemed unusually small for the size of her
body & was set low in between her very broad
shoulders, almost as if she didn't have a neck.  Her
face looked so bizarre to me that I can't think of any
 mammal that looks like it.  The best I can describe
it, is like a cross between a chimp & a pit bull.  I
could see very light colored skin in between some of
the matted fur/hair on her body & I could clearly see
skin around the eyes, forehead & cheekbones.  I
couldn't see any color to her eyes, but they glowed
like a cats eyes when light is shown in them & they
were very large in diameter.  She did have a classic
hour glass figure.  Very small waist in relation to
chest & hips.  Not very much body fat, in fact, she
seemed very defined in her muscles.  I remember seeing
striations of muscle in her forearms, upperarms &
shoulders.  Her arms weren't really big, just very
defined.  When she was walking backward, I noticed
that her gait seemed to have a woddle to it. As if she
were squatting a bit & knock knee, kind of like how
Grouch Marx would do that goofy walk, but just
backwards.  And it really was amazing how big her hips
were, about as wide as her shoulders.  I'm 6'4", and I
know she was at least 7' maybe closer to 8'.

     As I was coming to a complete stop, just a few
yards past her, we were so close to her, that if
Dennis had had the window rolled down, he could have
reached out & grabbed her arm.  That's how close we
were!  I passed her at about 20 mph before we stopped.
 As we passed her, Dennis got a view of her that I
didn't get to see since I was driving.  He told me
that a few seconds after we had passed her, as he was
looking back through the window, he witnessed her
leaping from a standing position approximately 20 to
30 feet horizontal, 10 to 15 feet vertical and then
landing into a full blown sprint through the sand pine
forest.  The reason Dennis had such a good view of
this was because my rear taillights were illuminating
the forest from having the brake on.  And sand pine
forests in Florida don't have much undergrowth over 2
feet high & the branches on the trees don't  start
until around 20 to 30 feet off the ground.  So he said
he had a very clear view of this creature.  He also
told me that he had never seen anything run that fast!
 

     This experience completely shattered my belief
system into a million pieces & inspired me to do the
research that I have been fortunate enough to
accomplish. I tell people that this experience is
analogues to winning the lottery.  I'm just one of
those few lucky people who know the answer to the
Bigfoot/Sasquatch mystery - "Yes, they really do
exist".  I moved from Florida to Bellingham,
Washington in 1999 to be in an area where research was
more prevelant.  One final note for the skeptics, I
know I can't prove anything just from my experience,
but I know I experienced something that I believe to
be a large hominid being with a witness who we both
agree that it was a "not normal" experience.

NAMASTE

Jason Valenti

Comment: IMHO, no hominid  jumps 15 ft in the air... period.
Has to be a paranormal entity.

25 Years ago today-A scary UFO encounter:
From the files of UFO researcher Stan Gordon
This is a review of this classic event which I posted on the
25th anniversary of the case: October 25, 1998.

October 25, 1973
Fayette County, PA

Twenty five years ago, I was directing the Westmoreland County UFO Study
Group based in Greensburg. I had started this volunteer research group in
1970, and I had established a good relationship with law enforcement and the
news media in western Pennsylvania. Then in 1973 a major UFO wave broke out
across the country, and hundreds of sightings were being reported in the
Keystone state. Then to make the situation even stranger, sightings of
Bigfoot-like creatures began to be reported over a multi-county area in both
western and eastern Pennsylvania. These reports continued for several months
then began to slow down.

Interestingly, the media and police agencies for the most part took the
reports seriously, And our UFO Hotline number was literally deluged with
reports and questions. While some police agencies were investigating some
incidents, they were commonly referring the reports to our group to
investigate, and in some cases our teams were assisting the agency involved.

I had set up a communications center in my home, and we were radio
dispatching investigators to the sites as reports were coming in. We were
conducting this research around our regular jobs, but in many cases, we had
teams on site within minutes to hours after a UFO or creature sighting was
reported. But it was one case which occurred, that made myself and my
associates aware, that there were some aspects of the UFO and Bigfoot
mystery that are even stranger than were first apparent.

As I have stated since this event, most unexplained UFO sightings are not
reported with Bigfoot encounters. And most sightings of Bigfoot have no
association with UFO reports. But here in PA we investigated a few cases,
where both were seen at the same time. In other cases, A UFO
would be reported in an area, and soon Bigfoot reports would come from that
area, or vise versa. What association there exists between the two anomalies
if any, remains open to speculation. I must stress, these cases are
historically rare, but some are well documented. It was my position as an
investigator to gather the data, and present the information, not hide the
facts that were uncovered because it would cause controversy from both
Cryptozoologists and UFOlogists who have their theories as to what these
phenomena represent.

Briefly, on the night of October 2S, 1973, My UFO Hotline was active with
UFO reports from around the state. About 10:30 P.M. that evening, I received
a call from state trooper from the Uniontown barracks concerning an incident
which he had just returned from investigating. One of those involved, was
put on the phone for me to interview. At about 9 P.M. about 15 people
observed a very large red spherical object hovering low in the sky which
began to descend towards a pasture. The witness and two boys proceeded up
the field and observed a white dome shaped object on the ground that
illuminated the area, and was making a loud whirring sound. It was estimated
at about 100 feet in diameter. They were about 250 feet from the object, and
about 75 feet from a fence line. Walking along the fence line were two tall
figures, 7 to 9 feet tall, covered with hair, and arms hanging down past the
knees, and displaying glowing green eyes.

The creatures were fired upon, first tracers were shot overhead, then live
ammo was used. The largest of the two creatures turned towards the other
almost touching it, and at the same time the object in the field
disappeared, and the sound stopped. The creatures slowly walked towards the
woods. One boy had already ran home, the other two left the field, went to
the farmhouse and moved the family members to a neighbor's home, and called
the state police. When the trooper arrived he and the main witness went to
the site, and where the object had landed there was a glowing area, that
according to the trooper was about 150 feet in diameter. He said he could
read a newspaper from the amount of light that it was emitting. The farm
animals refused to go into the area. The witness we talked with has always
stated that before they left the field, the largest of the two creatures was
seen in the woods about 10 feet from them, and he shot at it and it struck
the fence that stood between them.

Later that night our team arrived in the area. Radiation levels normal,
glowing area now gone, but animals still wouldn't go near the spot. Strange
events began to occur during the early morning hours in this dark secluded
location. A farmhouse several hundred feet from us was seen by some in the
party to suddenly light up like daylight for several seconds. A bull in the
field and a dog seemed unconcerned about us, and were looking into the
woods. The main witness, a rather large individual while being questioned,
suddenly begins to growl, throwing his father and my assistant George Lutz
towards the ground. The man ran into the field growling like an animal and
emitting screams, one which was near inhuman. His own dog approaches him as
to attack, then runs off whimpering. The man suddenly collapses onto the
ground. Then two of my team members begin to complain that they are having
trouble breathing. Suddenly the air is filled with a strong odor that can
best be described as rotten eggs.

The man as he came out of what appeared to be an almost trance-like state,
began talking about visions he saw about the end of the world, etc. Not
knowing what could happen next we helped each other back to our vehicles. It
was apparent that professional help was required in this case, and eminent
psychiatrist Berthold E. Schwarz was contacted. Dr. Schwarz traveled to PA
at his own expense and interviewed all of those involved including the
eyewitnesses and state trooper. There is much

more detail to this case, and I spent years following the life of the
principal involved. There were many para-normal events which reportedly
occured in the years following this episode. And many years later in a
follow up interview, an MIB event associated with the case was revealed.

For a more detailed account of the case see Dr. Schwarz's article "Berserk"
in Flying Saucer Review, Volume 20, Number 1 (January-February, 1974, or "An
Encounter in Fayette County" in True Tales of the Unknown, Vol.II, published
by Bantam Books, November, 1989.

This was a well documented event involving numerous individuals who had no
interest in the unusual. But it seems that the circumstances of this case
affected many of those who were involved.

If you are aware of any similar cases please contact me. Please check out my
website at www.westol.com/-paufo

Stan Gordon

                      Rob Riggs, Publisher and Author, Austin, Texas: "The first story I
                      got from one of my readers was a lady named Sharon Votaw and she
                      was a resident of that area and had lived there all of her life. She told a
                      story of a group of high school kids and they used to go out and do
                      what they called "booger hunting." That meant they would go out in
                      the woods and try to scare each other. Well, on one of their trips, they
                      used to go to this cemetery where there was a statue of an angel in one
                      of the mausoleums and they would go there just to try to spook each
                      other out and talk to the angel.

                      One time they went there and heard this ruckus in the maintenance
                      shed of the cemetery, looked up and there was this huge, apelike
                      creature. They made their retreat, but they were curious enough
                      because they couldn't believe what they were seeing. So, they came
                      back and there it was again. They made three trips and brought in
                      more and more people, all of whom saw the thing.

                      I got another report from another individual who asked not to be
                      named who saw the Wild Man on the Ghost Road itself. It actually
                      appeared on the Ghost Road right after they had seen the ghost light.
                      The thing jumped on the hood of their pickup howling. It was a couple
                      and the gentleman involved happened to have his deer rifle with him
                      and just unloaded right through the windshield and the thing went
                      howling off in the woods and left claw marks on the hood of the
                      pickup. There have been a number of instances where these things
                      have actually jumped on cars. Apparently the creatures in the Big
                      Thicket are capable of being hostile, aggressive.

                      WHAT ABOUT TRANSFORMATION IN AND OUT OF LIGHTS?
                      OCCASIONALLY IN MY OWN INVESTIGATIONS, THERE
                      HAVE BEEN REPORTS OF PEOPLE, A RANCHER REPORTED
                      TO THE CASCADE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT HE
                      WAS OUT HUNTING AND ENCOUNTERED AN 8 FOOT TALL
                      REDDISH BROWN HAIRY PRIMATE STANDING UP, SHOT AT
                      IT WITH A RIFLE AND IT 'DISAPPEARED IN A FLASH OF
                      LIGHT,' AS WRITTEN IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFENSE REPORT.

                      Well, Linda, I got more responses of people having seen the creature
                      on Bragg Road and this was some 20 years ago when I began this
                      investigation. I got stories just like what you are describing. At the
                      time, I could not believe them. I thought these people are putting me
                      on. I had a story of some people who saw the light on Bragg Road and
                      they said there was a carload of them and they would swear on a stack
                      of Bibles that they saw that light turn into the Wild Man.
 
 

                        A map shown at Texas Bigfoot Conference, Jefferson, Texas, on September 15,
                                                    2001.
                        Black dots indicate Bigfoot reports. Photograph © 2001 by Andy Abercrombie.
 

                      Since that time and since my book has been published, I go there
                      frequently. My home town is in that area. I have interviewed other
                      witnesses who have had what were frightening experiences. A truck
                      load of kids from Newton, Texas which is a small town in southeast
                      Texas said that they were on the road, they were all in their vehicles,
                      they saw the light and as it was approaching them, what they described
                      as a black shadow of a human being came out of the light. And they
                      were visibly shaken by it. And they said what terrified them is that it
                      was like a solid shadow of a person without the person being there.

                      Now, it's interesting if you go just across the border from southeast
                      Texas into southwestern Louisiana, the Cajun people have a very
                      established folklore that also associates the appearance of the hairy
                      humanoids with lights. They call the humanoids the loup garoux
                      (werewolf) and they call the lights the "fifolet." (French feu foulais, or
                      "compressed fire.") And the Cajun folklore which overlaps somewhat
                      with the voodoo traditions, there are stories of lights transforming itself
                      into the loup garoux. So the folklore of people who have lived in those
                      swamps for centuries and until only recently very isolated from the
                      outside world, very much corresponds with the experiences of
                      witnesses on the Ghost Road.

                      AND IF SOMETHING TRANSFORMS IN AND OUT OF LIGHTS,
                      HOW CAN IT BE STRICTLY BIOLOGICAL?

                      Well, that's a good question. Now, I want to say something. I have
                      photographs of some of these lights. I do not have a photograph of a
                      light becoming a Wild Man or Sasquatch. I read your book recently,
                      Mysterious Lights and Crop Circles. And noted with interest that a
                      number of photographs that were submitted to you from people you
                      have interviewed had lights that showed up on the photographs that
                      were not visible at the time they took the photographs. And among
                      those were what you call the translucent orbs and the mysterious
                      mist-like photographs. Well, on the back cover of my book is a
                      photograph of what we call a luminous mist that my colleague, Bill
                      Fleming and I took on January 20, 1996. A luminous mist very similar
                      to what I saw in the photographs in your book showed up on film. It
                      was never visible to us. We took the photograph in pitch darkness
                      without a flash and the fog thing showed up on the film.
 
 

                              Luminous mist with hidden face photographed on Bragg Road,
                                   January 20, 1996 © by Rob Riggs and Bill Fleming.
 

                      Now, what it looks like is apparently these lights can be just outside
                      the visible light range. And at other times, through whatever frequency
                      shift or whatever, they enter the visible light range. I have had a
                      number of people describe having seen the lights on the Ghost Road
                      that were similar to what our photograph showed. And the way it was
                      described is as a small fog bank with a bright spot in it. And that's
                      what is shown on the back cover of my book.

                      I also have had witnesses say that they saw the fog bank with the
                      bright spot in it and the fog bank would collapse into the bright spot
                      forming a distinct brilliant sphere about 6 to 10 inches wide. That is
                      the typical description of the light when it is visible and many people
                      have seen it in that phase. So apparently the lights can go through
                      different phases of manifestation.

                      The reason I'm bringing this up is that I have numerous photographs
                      of areas where there had been alleged Bigfoot or Wild Man in the big
                      thicket where I have gone and taken photographs and the lights were
                      not visible and yet they would show up on film similar to the pictures
                      in your book.

                      And just as these spheres can sometimes be invisible or visible,
                      apparently the creatures can do the same thing. How that works is a
                      mechanism we don't understand. To me, one of the most interesting
                      things about this whole phenomenon is what it suggests about
                      mechanisms of human perception. Why is it that these lights can be
                      right in front of our face and we can't see them? Are they outside the
                      visible range? Or are we somehow psychologically not allowing
                      ourselves to see them?

                      I THINK IT DOES MAKE A GREAT DEAL OF SENSE THAT WE
                      SEE A VERY NARROW RANGE IN THE ELECTROMAGNETIC
                      SPECTRUM AND THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
                      RESEARCH IN CROP CIRCLES OR THE NON-HUMAN
                      CATEGORY OR THE SASQUATCH CATEGORY
                      CONSISTENTLY BRINGS UP IS THAT OTHER THINGS ARE
                      OPERATING OUTSIDE OUR ABILITY TO SEE WITH OUR
                      RETINAS AND THAT THIS PLANET, IF WE COULD SEE IN
                      THESE OTHER FREQUENCY RANGES, MIGHT BE MUCH
                      MORE FULL OF ACTIVITY THAN ANY OF US GUESS.

                      I absolutely agree. Absolutely agree and to me that is the profound
                      significance of the Bigfoot and Wild Man research. It's not just
                      whether or not these animals exist, but some how the mode of their
                      existence implies a much deeper, profounder, richer experience of
                      nature than we imagine. There are whole dimensions of reality right at
                      our fingertips, so to speak, that we might not be conscious of, but that
                      we might be able to have some kind of conscious access to.

                      THE CONFUSION AND THE MYSTERY IS WHY IS THERE SO
                      MUCH PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IN TRACKS, EVEN HAIR, AND
                      THE REMARKABLE SIGHTING IN THE LATE 1960S THAT DR.
                      BINDERNAGEL HAS DESCRIBED OF THE LOGGER
                      WATCHING THE THREE UPRIGHT PRIMATE HUMAN-LIKE
                     SASQUATCH DIGGING DOWN FOR THOSE HIBERNATING
                      GROUND SQUIRRELS TO EAT - THAT IS SUCH A PHYSICAL
                      PRESENCE AS WE WOULD UNDERSTAND ANIMALS
                      AROUND US AND OURSELVES. AND YET, IN EVERY
                      DIRECTION AROUND THE GLOBE ARE THE OTHER
                      DESCRIPTIONS THAT SEEM TO PUT THE SASQUATCH,